As a frequent visitor and skeptic on the HPANWO forum, it has to be said that you get to see a good deal of hit and run posters. That is those that post something rather silly then disappear when questioned. Well one turned up the other day calling themselves Stephen and they left this message:
“Hi, I’m new here but I wanted to show you people how the true nature of the universe is actually a tiny, inverted one. Cyrus Teed’s foundational premise that the Earth’s surface is concave and all the planets, sun, moon and stars are actually very small in relation to it and fit inside a hollow, inverted Earth has never been debunked. In addition to his theory I want to point out the optical illusory effects of the glass ceiling about 70 miles high that plays tricks on the eye and causes one to perceive the sun and moon as spherical but are actually not.”
I don’t think in all the years I have been reading into conspiracy theories have I come across something so absurd. No amount of reason could tempt Stephen away from his notion that the stars are tiny and everything is contained at the centre of the Earth. Although it turns out he isn’t some Poe yet a fully grown man from the USA who not only content with his ‘theory’ he also thinks he is the second coming of Christ. Here are some youtube videos:
As you can see he calls himself Lord Steven Christ and all the other videos I watched are mainly the same thing, ie him telling us what he thinks is true and slagging off humanity for having the audacity to question him. When I dared comment on one of his videos he called upon me to suck his dick! Although that comes after him telling the NSA to put you in a FEMA camp and putting a curse on you.
The reason why he is so adamant of his ideas is because no-one has disproven him or his hero Cyrus Teed. Well, no-one has disproven the existence of a purple pram on Pluto, the list is endless of things that could never be disproven. It would appear Lord Steven Christ is not a well person and should take medical help. His life is not a happy one, surely. He hops from forum to forum constantly trying to get people interested in his ‘theory’ and all he gets is grief. Unless it is just a big joke, well then fair enough, haha.
I think he is genuine, I mean just look into his eyes. You cannot help but feel they are slightly maniacal looking. Anyhow he is probably harmless, but here is his website so you can make up your own mind.
After having some neat piece of advertising on the HPANWO radio show last night which added no extra traffic to this flop of a blog I had asked to be referred to as a ‘Skeptical Skeptic’. Ben did ponder as to what one was even after saying it was an apt name on facebook. I suppose it means awkwardly skeptical, in other words unless you can prove something with extraordinary evidence I won’t believe you.
If I saw the loch ness monster appear before my eyes I still wouldn’t believe it until it was captured and analyzed to prove it was indeed a cryptozoological creature. Or I would imagine I was hallucinating. Even if I had taken 800 mg of quetiapine everyday for ten years I would assume the drug was not working. Why? Because that is more plausible. What if others witnessed such an event? Well they too would be hallucinating. The thing is I don’t want to believe in anything that goes against scientific inquiry or the scientific method. Why? Because it is sloppy and lazy to just make fiction up and pass it off as fact.
That is what most of the conspiracy world is; poorly written fiction. You can have a hard on over aliens hiding in RAF bunkers or planes pumping out toxic fumes to poison us all, that includes fluoride as well. It doesn’t even make for a decent storyline, yet people gobble it up, but why? Perhaps it makes sense in someone else’s mind other than my own. Perhaps it correlates in some bizarre fashion. It clicks for them and makes some ‘sane’ connections. Doesn’t make it true though. I’d love to know what percentage of the online world is made up of these disastrous brains spewing vomit all over people’s consciousnesses. The David Icke Forum is a good place to start; full of wretched souls trying to make uneducated hamfisted guesses at how the Universe works. Sometimes real science is used to explain poor science and that is why it remains on the DIF and not in some peer-reviewed journal.
So there is nothing wrong with being skeptically skeptical. I think it is healthy and interesting because science is intriguing without adding ladles of sloppy bullshit. To add HPANWO is nothing but the opinions of one man called Ben who just picks certain news articles each day and adds a bit a wikipedia research to it then a touch of conspiratorial bent.
This sort of thing sends my bullshit detectorphon of the scales. Orgonite is just wankstain. It is nothing but a waste of time and not even placebo at best. Yet, some people swear by it. It cures all ills, like mobile phone radiation, and other stuff. When you look at it it is just some paperclips, and iron filings set in pretty resin, and shaped like a pyramid. How can that function at all, it is so inaccurate it is unbelievable.
The origins of orgone date back to a chap called Wilhelm Reich. He was a mad professor who claimed he had found some new form of energy. The FDA, rightly, got his ass banged up and he died in prison. His ‘work’ was supposedly destroyed which begs the question, how do advocates of orgone know if they are doing the right thing or not?
I am trying to cut Icke out of my thinking so this will be one of few posts about the man. Honestly, I look at his headlines page about two or three times a week, if that sometimes. Well, I have just had a butchers and it is the same as it always was. He pontificates as if he knows all the answers, such and such leaders are just puppets of a shadow government, and yes I have read his books even if it is like reading through treacle. He sort of gets the anwsers out but just falls short of really explaining anything tangible. Everyone becomes lizards and we enter fantasy land Icke creates in his sleep. Yes, the World is full of assholes, but he seems to have a vast array of freedom across the World. He can say want he wants in free, liberal countries without fear of arrest, the reason being is he poses no threat. Maybe the government see him as a useful idiot, that is if he even registers on their monitor.
But what got me was Icke is still on the scrounge. Not content with 300 k for his poxy radio station, he wants cheap studio equipment too. I don’t know how much that stuff costs but I bet with a budget of 300 k he could get a decent set of gear. This is how cults start. It won’t be a people’s voice, it will be the UK’s equivalent of Alex Jones’ radio show. Dissenting voices won’t be allowed, I assume. You have to tow the party line, etc. Someone might ring in to a show and say Icke talks nonsense before being cut off. Supposedly revenge at the times a woo woo has had the line cut on a proper radio station like Radio five.
Just had a look at prices for studio equipment. Top of the range mixer 21 k. That’s nothing with the money they have. No, Icke wants someone to hand over something by saying they are saving humanity or something. People will want some action soon or it’s all going to go plop. Plus, I wonder if you have pay tax on that money.
The DiF being the David Icke forum. It is a collection of the most outlandish ideas it is possible to think up. That would be fine if it was just make believe, or science fiction, it isn’t even poor sci-fi, but people sincerely believe what they say. Every time something happens in the news the DiF dwellers contradict the official line just for the sake of it. Anyone who doesn’t do this is a closed minded sheep.
Anyway to kick of this series of idiocy I present the most stupid thread in known history. This one. I can’t even begin to suggest how nutty this collection of stupidity is. It is laughable yet unnerving at the same time. It doesn’t achieve anything and must have wasted many hours in it’s creation. Still it has given me something write about.
Does the man ever have a holiday? Just a break from conspiratorial research, somewhere away from people. I don’t think he would do because to be away from even his inner sanctum would mean his ego would significantly suffer from not being rubbed, continuously. Go for a nice trek around the Outer Hebrides or something and try to bullshit his way into using his way of thinking to decipher how they breathtaking scenery was formed.
You see Icke never really bothers to tell us how geological processes occur. Is it to be taken that science is correct and mountains are formed the way it tells us they are made. Icke wouldn’t want to concur with science though. He never questions how a plane flies, again it would mean concurring with science. Yet when it comes to something we can’t see, like vaccines, then science is just plain wrong and must be avoided.
Although, he does like to make it known what such an expert he is when it comes to the electromagnetic spectrum. He fails to mention we only see visible light because our eyes have evolved to see it, as it is useful for our survival. We could have evolved to see infra-red or any other wavelength. It doesn’t mean there are scary lizards living in other frequencies. I can’t remember his ever showing us a picture of the spectrum, he may have done but he would have glossed over it. Why? Because he assumes his listeners/readers are stupid and he is the masterful supreme lord of knowledge. When in fact anyone anyone who has taken GCSE science, let alone passed it, will know more then Dave presents.
The NHS vaccinates children and old people. Icke urges people to ‘not get the vaccine. Yet this appears on his headlines today. Does this make him a man of the people now? He is a man that is not known for his love of conventional medicine yet uses some glib survey to push his agenda; which is to contradict authority, wherever he can.
I don’t agree with GPs charging but I will not take my disdain of off one of the biggest snakeoil circus sideshow maniacs about. He should possibly be glad that it might turn people towards alternative ‘natural’ remedies. Well they might be the case but I’m sure they might be a tad more expensive then a GP may like to charge.
Saying this I’m sure Icke uses the NHS, has a GP, etc. I bet he wouldn’t risk his health and leave it is the hands of something unproven. This is what makes him such a hypocrite and a contrarian.
This is nothing compared to how Icke normally operates. He thrives on fear and traps the vulnerable. He uses scaremonger tactics like ‘you better take note before that knock on the door comes. And then the antithesis to this is everything is love and what not, you know pretty rainbows and bunny rabbits bounding across a flowering meadow. It is what religion does to. Points out all the evil then beckons you towards the light and eternal bliss. Icke is just aping religion. He waits for bad to happen and then goes ‘this is a stepping stone to a totalitarian state, you mark my words. What are you going to tell your children when they say “what were you…”‘. This sort of rhetoric. He applies it to anything he doesn’t understand, like algebra or science.
David, you haven’t moved a picometer closer to unravelling any truth then you had in 1991. In fact you seemed like a nicer person back then. Now it’s all ad hominem and rhetoric. The world’s moved on. Maybe you should too.
This is an example of the height of arrogance displayed on the Icke forum:
We need to get the info out into the public domain;
to the sheeple, to the ignorant etc.
We need to INFORM those dumb bastards.
I found this is the signature of some tosser called beezlebub or something equally acrimonious. This is what people, or the nearly-people, or the woo woos think of everyday folk who aren’t interested in shape shifting lizards, or believing the centre of gravity is a few km under our feet. What are they meant to be informing the public domain about?
Everyone knows governments are not perfect, far from it. They would only be telling people what they already know. So it’s not so much telling them information, even if it is wrong, it is the level of contempt these woos have for people. I don’t have a problem with arrogance either, as long as it is justified, by truth, with credible evidence. Everything these twats know is twentieth hand information, Chinese whispers I suppose. Every bellend has added on a bit to make it seem more impressive and these Icke forum dolts lap it up, especially if it is ‘conspiritorial’.
I’ve said it before, but what are people meant to be waking up to? And if a so-called enemy did exist, and was defeated, what would we replace it with? Wouldn’t it happen all over again? Look at how unstable countries become when there are coups after coups. Some people should be careful what they wish for.
Parliamentary democracy has taken hundreds of years to reach what it has today. It is so complex and difficult for a reason; to make despotism nigh on impossible. Woo woos are just as bad as champagne socialists. They love to mock and hinder science, democracy, free speech, yet use all three to their benefit. Every time I see Icke using a computer when giving a speech I think science and algebra gave you that. The reason he doesn’t fall through that stage is because some architect/engineer worked out how to use something to resist it.
Icke’s radio, donation, appeal, thingy, seems to be grinding to a halt. As I write just under 8000 people have donated 286 K with 6 days to go. He has rung dry anyone who feels vulnerable enough to have given. He will probably limp over the 300 K mark and declare an incredible victory. I wonder if he has a studio yet, or sponsors, or presenters, or accreditation.
Seeing as I have written this post while straddling two days I have an update on the rate of donations. He has now got 287 K with 5 days to go. That rate has slowed right down to a crawl. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one or two hefty donations being laid down to save face or Icke will start slagging off humanity, with the knock at the door, what do you tell your grand children, etc. Like I have said if humans were really waking up to some evil tyranny, they wouldn’t have been allowed to, and secondly, millions would have been donated because a lot of people live here.
Saying that I’ll be interested to see how he spins this. He likes his spin. No different from the news agencies he so decries.
EDIT: 288 K with 4 days to go. 3 K a day to go and then he can rent a studio flat for a couple of years. Or is he expecting something to give him something for nothing, that seems to be his style. He will say it will be to stem the tide of a global cabal taking over the world by being lizards in their spare time. Tesco doesn’t ask for donations when they open a new store; and they sell food that feeds people. Funny how it works. Funnier when this venture gets mothballed, though.
Bravely standing up for the confused, and misrepresented.
HPANWO stands for: Hospital Porters Against the New World Order. Well, technically just one hospital porter, and he isn’t even a hospital porter any more. The brains behind HPANWO is a chap called Ben Jones.
It is fundamentally a research tool that has a channel on You Tube, and various blogs. He researches mainly into the supernatural, and global conspiracies. It hasn’t got any closer to understanding anything then it had the day Jones dreamt it up. No matter how hard someone tries you cannot progress if you have no credible evidence. See what Jones is wearing around his head, its a bra strap with a bits of quartz stuck above the ears that are interwoven into it. This ‘device’ is to protect the wearer from harmful radiation when using a mobile phone. It is utterly ridiculous, not only because it doesn’t work, but because he thinks it does. I don’t have enough sanity to write too much about Ben so I will concentrate for now on his belief in orgone. Take a look at this. He seriously believes that throwing a lump of rock into a river will cleanse it and make it all safe for wildlife to flourish. Although he won’t give his exact location away because he is sure the men in black will come along and fish it out.
It is an old video but I think it is the best place to start when trying to dissect what HPANWO is all about. Be aware though, Ben is your typical woo woo in that he will never give a straight answer but thinks he has all the answers. He is quite a keen ufologist, or a nothingist is probably a better name, and travels all around the country looking at grainy pictures of a dinner plate being tossed in the air. Oh sorry, I meant flying saucer. I used to be a member of the HPANWO forum but about a year ago I got banned for swearing. Although there was never a dull moment, especially when Ben got started with his Apollo hoax theories. He doesn’t believe NASA sent men to the moon, even though they brought back lunar rocks. Ben had an answer for everything and started to feel like you was debating a sociology studying sixth former, Any way to counter my argument of ‘they did go to the moon’ he said they filmed it on Mercury. Yep, they went to Mercury but pretended it was the moon. When it was explained how silly this was he changed it to that they filmed it on another planet in another solar system.
Jesus wept. He really wrote that.
Update: I have now been allowed back into the HPANWO forum and nothing has changed. Still plenty of hit and run posters who call you a cunt if you have the nerve to point out their post was a crock of shit. As well as HPANWO I converse with The Ben of no age on facebook. I was told off by him for calling one of his ‘friends’ willfully ignorant – he said studying the big bang was a waste of time – still it’s okay when I get called a cunt and a shill by other woos on his wall. Ben is starting to come much more a ‘celebrity’ in conspiratorial circles by having his own radio show and giving talks at UFO events. Yes, he still believes the governments of the world are keeping something from us, on what premise? None whatsoever!